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Sedat Canbaz
Опубликовано 29-12-2011 16:19
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BTW,nowadays the web server does not allow me to post on these chess forums:Chess2U,Chess4U,RebornSE
I am not sure exactly what can be the reason...probably those sites are not allowed from Turkey

So...its will be great if anybody post my main message in those forums too

Thanks in advance,
Sedat
 
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Опубликовано 30-12-2011 19:57
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Hello Chess Friends,

POLL:Do you support ICCR ?
http://www.sedatc...hess/iccr/

Thanks in advance,
Sedat Canbaz
 
Sedat Canbaz
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First of all many thanks to all Voters

Wow...its true that still there are not many Voters (probably due to many people were busy with the new year holiday)

But however i did not expect that there will be a such BIG interest/support over my new ICCR project

After a such support....probably i will not cancel my new project and i will continue to work over it (even after 3 months)

Best Wishes,
Sedat

b1201.hizliresim.com/t/2/1jd9k.jpg

Voting Statistics:
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Yes (good idea):39 Voters
No (bad idea):6 Voters
Total:45 Voters
 
Sedat Canbaz
Опубликовано 03-01-2012 05:55
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Hello Chess Friends,

Just i'd like to inform you that:
-Due to many interest,requests...i will allow Quads too,but only with Hyper Threading OFF

Fore More Information:
http://www.sedatc...hess/iccr/
Note:Fritz Chess Benchmark will be used for measuring the processor chess speed
For accurate testing:its strongly recommended to be used the bellow time controls:

Загрузить источник  Код
Hardware-Processor        Speed    Cores   kN/s   Time Control
---------------------------------------------------------------
2x Intel Xeon X5667     @ 4.60 GHz   12    28827   14m+15s
2x Intel Xeon X5680     @ 4.18 GHz   12    26276   17m+15s
2x Intel Xeon X5680     @ 4.00 GHZ   12    24293   20m+15s
Intel Core i7 3930k     @ 4.80 GHz    6    20356   28m+15s
Intel Core i7 980X      @ 4.60 GHz    6    19791   29m+15s
Intel Core i7 980X      @ 4.33 GHz    6    18709   32m+15s
2x Intel Core QX9775    @ 4.00 GHz    8    18063   33m+15s
Intel Core i7 970       @ 4.16 GHz    6    17302   36m+15s
Intel Core i7 2600K     @ 5.20 GHz    4    15516   42m+15s
2x Intel Core QX9775      3.20 GHz    8    14784   45m+15s
Intel Core i7 980X        3.33 GHz    6    14744   45m+15s
Intel Core i5 2500k     @ 4.90 GHz    4    14316   47m+15s
AMD Phenom II X6 1055T  @ 4.06 GHz    6    14012   48m+15s
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T  @ 3.80 GHz    6    13599   50m+15s
2x Intel Xeon E5472       3.00 GHz    8    13573   50m+15s
AMD FX X8 8150          @ 4.21 GHz    8    13331   52m+15s
Intel Core i5 760       @ 4.44 GHz    4    12912   54m+15s
Intel Core i5 2500k     @ 4.49 GHz    4    12784   55m+15s
Intel Core i7 920       @ 4.00 GHz    4    12454   57m+15s
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T  @ 3.60 GHz    6    12286   58m+15s
Intel Core i7 960       @ 4.00 GHz    4    11988   59m+15s
AMD FX X8 8150            3.60 GHz    8    11867   60m+15s
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T    3.30 GHz    6    11476   63m+15s
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T    3.20 GHz    6    11259   65m+15s
Intel Core i5 750       @ 3.80 GHz    4    11075   66m+15s
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 @ 3.82 GHz    4    10730   69m+15s
AMD Phenom II X6 1075T    3.00 GHz    6    10601   70m+15s
Intel Core i7 2600K       3.40 GHz    4    10473   71m+15s
Intel Core i7 920       @ 3.30 GHz    4    10350   72m+15s
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 @ 3.60 GHz    4    10192   73m+15s
AMD FX X8 8120            3.20 GHz    8    10019   75m+15s
AMD Phenom II X6 1055T    2.80 GHz    6    9945    75m+15s
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 @ 3.40 GHz    4    9469    80m+15s
AMD Phenom II X6 1035T    2.60 GHz    6    9283    82m+15s
AMD Athlon II X4 955    @ 3.91 GHz    4    9192    83m+15s
Intel Core i7 860         2.80 GHz    4    8715    88m+15s
Intel Core 2 QX9650       3.00 GHz    4    8560    90m+15s
Intel Core i5 750         2.66 GHz    4    8335    93m+15s
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 @ 2.80 GHz    4    7747   102m+15s
Intel Core 2 QX6700       2.66 GHz    4    7231   110m+15s
AMD Phenom II X4 940      3.00 GHz    4    6898   116m+15s
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600   2.40 GHz    4    6771   119m+15s
AMD Phenom X4 9700        2.40 GHz    4    5725   144m+15s
2x AMD Opteron 270        2.00 GHz    4    4581   185m+15s




Calculation Method – Time Control:
Intel Core i7 980X 3.33GHz=45m+15s (official time control)
Average Game Lenght:72 moves x15 sec = 18 Minutes
TOTAL= 45 Minutes + 18 Minutes = 63 Minutes per side (45m+15s)

Intel Core i7 980X @4.33GHz=32m+15s
Average Game Lenght:72 moves x15 sec = 18 Minutes
TOTAL= 32 Minutes + 18 Minutes = 50 Minutes per side (32m+15s)

18709 kns / 14744 kns = 1,268
63 Minutes / 1.268 = 49,68 Minutes – 18 Minutes = 32m+15s
63 Minutes / 50 Minutes = 1.26

Greetings,
Sedat
 
Sedat Canbaz
Опубликовано 04-01-2012 14:11
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New Update:

The new official time control will be 40m+10s and it will be adapted to i7 980X 3.33 GHz
I slightly change the time control,due to i plan to add the Gladiator 2011 games:
http://www.sedatc...ladiators/
For more accurate ELO calculation:its not allowed testing 6 core against 4 core on same machine
The reason,we plan to test the engines with adapted time controls under different speed hardwares
*Otherwise,in case of such wrong test,the Engines ELO Performance will be effected
*For right testing (6c against 4c):
-Engines should be tested with adapted time controls,on two separate machines via Auto232 mode

For more information:
http://www.sedatc...hess/iccr/

Best Regards,
Sedat
 
Sedat Canbaz
Опубликовано 05-01-2012 19:20
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Dear Chess Friends,

Unfortunately i am sorry to announce:
-I am planning to cancel my new project ICCR

More details about why i am planning to stop working on the new ICCR project:
-I still strongly believe (in case of such list) that we will see high-quality games,played under super fast machines
-I plan to cancel this project is not due to there is no interest over it...
*For example,even in a very short time,ICCR has already 3 Testers,which are waiting instructions from me

The main reason of planning to not continue working over ICCR is that:
-There will be wrong Elo calculations,in case of using adapted time controls under different speed processors
-I mean,in case of creating a such adapted rating- all participant Elo standings will be effected...
-So far...I could not find any right solution for measuring the real Elo strength of the ICCR engines
-The biggest Elo calculation problem is appearing e.g 6c against 4c or 6c against 12c ...

*A simple example of wrong Elo calculation about in case of if we are not combing the mp engines in one version:
How can we calculate the game results played by:
Intel Core i7 920 @ 4.00 GHz 4 core 12454 50m+10s
and
AMD Phenom II X6 1035T 2.60 GHz 6 core 9283 70m+10s


-The right hardware Elo calculation (6c against 4c):should be done on two separate machines via Auto232 mode
*I mean for hardware speed test (6c against 4c):
-Engines should be tested with adapted time controls,on two separate machines via Auto232 mode
-Even if we combine ICCR played game results by Quads/Six-Cores... in one chess engine version
-Then is appearing another Elo calculation problem:as Clemens Keck stated...some buggy mp engines will be effected from that
In my opinion,combining in one chess engine version is the right way,but only for NON-buggy MP chess engines
-But in case of combining all mp participants,then it will lead to another wrong Elo calculation results

A little note more:
-For the first time in my Computerchess life, i could not complete a project with a success

And after all: I am sorry dear Chess Friends for all that i can not continue to work over this new project

But i have good news:
-I plan to start a new Rating list (15m+10s) based on only i7 Six-core machines
Note:more info coming soon...

BTW,i stopped the current hardware Elo speed test and the results are here:
a1201.hizliresim.com/t/5/1lgs1.gif
Games:
http://www.sedatc...o_Test.rar

Best Wishes,
Sedat Canbaz
Изменил(а) Sedat Canbaz, 05-01-2012 19:21
 
Sedat Canbaz
Опубликовано 10-01-2012 11:02
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ICCR project is already canceled-for more details:
http://www.sedatc...hess/iccr/

Best Regards,
Sedat Canbaz
 
Sedat Canbaz
Опубликовано 05-02-2012 02:03
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Hello Dear Chess Friends,

Last Updates:

• 02/02/2012-SCCT Auto232 Rating List / Top 20
http://www.sedatc...t-auto232/

• 02/02/2012-Fritz Chess BenchMarks-HT OFF
http://www.sedatc...enchmarks/

• 20/01/2012-Perfect 2012a books (Full Package)
http://www.sedatc...012a-book/

• 14/01/2012-PlayChess Rating July-December
http://www.sedatc...mber-2011/

Note:as far as possible, i will try to update my activities over chess forums as once a month


Best Regards,
Sedat Canbaz
Изменил(а) Sedat Canbaz, 05-02-2012 02:04
 
Sedat Canbaz
Опубликовано 20-02-2012 15:27
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Hello Chess Friends,

For nowadays, what will be the Elo difference between Top MP Engines vs Top GM Players ?
http://www.sedatc...s-machine/

I mean,if we run Top MP Engines at 40/120 (Rybka,Houdini,Critter on latest fast hardwares)
against Top Human GM Players (e.g Kasparov,Kramnik,Carlsen,Topalov,Anand...)

1)More than 500 Elo
2)Less than 500 Elo



Thanks in advance,
Sedat Canbaz
 
Sedat Canbaz
Опубликовано 23-02-2012 16:31
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Hello Dear Chess Friends,


Last Updated Engines:
Arasan 13.4 x64 1c
Colossus 2008b w32 1c
Deep Junior 13 x64 6c
Fire 2.2b xTreme GH x64 6c
Gandalf 6.01 w32 1c
GarboChess 3.00 x64 1c
Movei 0.08.438 w32 1c
Pharaon 3.5.1 w32 1c
Philou 3.70 x64 1c
Ruffian 2.1.0 w32 1c
SlowChess Blitz 2.1 w32 1c
Vitruvius 1.0C HEM x64 6c
WildCat 8 w32 1c
Zarkov 6.50 w32 1c

SCCT Auto232 Rating List (All Versions):
http://www.sedatc...t-auto232/

SCCT Auto232 Rating List (Top 20):
http://www.sedatc...32-top-20/

SCCT Auto232 Conditions:
http://www.sedatc...onditions/

Note:Starting Elo Calculation - Chess Tiger 2007.1 is fixed to 2750 Elo



Best Wishes,
Sedat Canbaz
 
Sedat Canbaz
Опубликовано 28-02-2012 22:11
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Dear Chess Friends,

Rybka 4.1 WP x64 1c (without pawn) is tested under SCCT Auto232 Rating:
http://www.sedatc...t-auto232/

More Details:
------------
Only Rybka 4.1 x64 1c is played without full pawn (e2 and e7)
Rybka's opponents are played at full performance (i mean with all pieces)
No opening books are used for the current test
1c = Engine is using one core (1 CPU)
WP = Engine is playing without pawn



Kind Regards,
Sedat Canbaz
Изменил(а) Sedat Canbaz, 28-02-2012 22:11
 
Sedat Canbaz
Опубликовано 01-03-2012 03:36
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Dear Chess Friends,

My final words over this issue...

The bellow 2007/2008 data is based on handicapped games played by Rybka (without pawn) vs GMs average 2600 Elo

d1203.hizliresim.com/v/1/34g47.gif

Dzindzichashvili vs Rybka
4.0 - 4.0 8 games
2.5 - 1.5 4 games
http://en.wikiped...ichashvili

-----------------------------------------------------
Rybka: 4.5
Benjamin: 3.5
http://rybkaforum...l?tid=1883

-----------------------------------------------------
Rybka: 10.0
Ehlvest: 4.0
http://en.wikiped...an_Ehlvest

-----------------------------------------------------

More Details (based on my testings):

Rybka 3 using a strong opening book performed approx. +200 Elo better than without using book
http://sedatchess...php?p=1_35

[tt]Rank Name Elo + - games score oppo. draws
01 Ultra Blitz 3 3319 23 23 560 60% 3257 50%
70 NoBook 3100 25 25 460 37% 3176 53% [/tt]

*Note:NoBook is empty.ctg (Rybka 3 is played without using any opening book)

-----------------------------------------------------

Rybka with Full Performance (with all pieces) performed approx. +250 Elo better
http://www.sedatc...t-auto232/

[tt]Rank Name Elo + - games score oppo. draws
36 Rybka 4.1 x64 1c 3201 13 13 1725 48% 3217 49%
52 Rybka 4.1 WP x64 1c 2954 29 29 470 61% 2875 27%
[/tt]
*Note:Rybka 4.1 WP x64 1c is played without using a full pawn

-----------------------------------------------------

In my estimation (based on the above data/sources)
1)Rybka +75 Elo
2)Private Strong Book / Endgames +150 Elo
3)Faster Hardware +150 Elo
4)Newer/Stronger version +150 Elo
5)Full Performance (with all pieces) +250 Elo
-----------------------------------------------------
FINAL CONCLUSION:
-Rybka 4.1 mp (on 2x Intel Xeon X5667 @ 4.60GHz)is expecting to be rated approx.750-800 Elo stronger than GMs of 2600 Elo points

Best Regards,
Sedat Canbaz
 
Sedat Canbaz
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Hello Chess Friends,

•Opening Book Registrations:20-24 April 2012
•Tournament Start Date:25-26 April 2012

For more details-SCCT Book Super League II:
http://www.sedatc...ss/2495-2/

Kind Regards,
Sedat Canbaz
Изменил(а) Sedat Canbaz, 06-03-2012 19:00
 
Sedat Canbaz
Опубликовано 07-03-2012 01:31
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Due to some complaints about two books by same Authors (playing in SCCT/Testo)

We (with the permission by Guido) decided to add a new rule,otherwise all these complaints will be never ended over SCCT/Testo

Since 2012,both leagues (SCCT/Testo) will accept two books by same Author

Note:both books by same Author should be completely different to each other
Plus the 2nd book should qualify from Testo Second League,i mean before to have right to play in SCCT Super League


Thank you for your understanding

Best Regards,
Sedat
 
Sedat Canbaz
Опубликовано 08-03-2012 15:04
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Attention:
Who is interested in participating in SCCT,can register in Testo Second League

•Opening Book Registrations:08-12 April 2012
•Tournament Start Date:13-14 April 2012

For more details-GMSL Second League II:
http://testochess.../gmsl.html
Изменил(а) Sedat Canbaz, 08-03-2012 15:04
 
Sedat Canbaz
Опубликовано 12-03-2012 17:35
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Dear Chess Friends,

Last Updates:

• 12/03/2012:SCCT Engine Test-SSE / NO SSE
http://www.sedatc...se-no-sse/

• 12/03/2012:SCCT Auto232 Rating List / Top 20
http://www.sedatc...t-auto232/

• 12/03/2012:Fritz Chess BenchMarks-HT OFF
http://www.sedatc...enchmarks/


Best Wishes,
Sedat Canbaz
 
Sedat Canbaz
Опубликовано 15-03-2012 17:21
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New Updates:

The Test SSE / NO SSE is over:
www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/sse_no_sse.png

For More Information:
http://www.sedatc...se-no-sse/

Best,
Sedat
 
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Опубликовано 15-03-2012 17:57
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Стрелка на втором месте везде! *YAHOO*
А рыбка версии SSE получается, что гораздо сильнее простой версии.
 
Sedat Canbaz
Опубликовано 16-03-2012 03:01
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Privaet Yuriy,

Da...Strelka ochen silnoi dvijok,no vse taki etat dvijok imeet balshie prablemi

Ya imeyu vidu,Strelka chasta zamerzvaet,ne hochet igrat (etih pablemiy yavlayutsia v kajdiyh 15-20 partii)

Tolka v Areniy ya redko viju etih prablemi

Udachi,
Sedat
Изменил(а) Sedat Canbaz, 16-03-2012 03:02
 
Sedat Canbaz
Опубликовано 17-03-2012 03:31
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Dear Chess Friends,

I pleased to announce:
-New SCCT Auto232 Rating List is coming soon:
http://www.sedatc...t-auto232/

Kind Regards,
Sedat Canbaz
 
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